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Hello Everyone,

It's been 3 weeks since my lact confession...er.....oops!

OK, seriously...my husband and I just got back from Texas early this morning, 2 AM to be exact and so I'm just a little bit "punchy".

We met with our wonderful surrogate mom and her OB, the marvelous and incredibly hospitalble Dr. Maurizio Maccato. He's also a complete laugh riot!! He was very generous and allowed us to video the ultrasound and pointed everything out to us and gave each of us a photo.

Our little "spud with buds" is now a whopping 3.5 cm "head and bod" with arms and legs. Still no neck but you can't have everything LOL. I must say I was very relieved to see open hands as that is one of the markers for a healthy babe.

Everything is going swimmingly well, we can hardly believe it!! This is a completely different experience from last time.

I'm roughly two weeks into the induced lactation protocols. Boobs are bigger and pretty tender which is a very good sign.

We're due to visit Texas again in about 2 weeks and then again the week of May 20 for the amnio. More news soon...

Fondly,


Lenore Goldfarb, Ph.D.,CCC,IBCLC
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Lenore,
Great news..I am so happy for you! I plan to start pumping the beginning of May,,,will 6.5 months on the meds give me a good result or should I try to stay on it longer? We are still planning to travel to Guatemala the week of June 18th,,,,thanks, Cathy


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Hi Cathy,

Thank you!

Because you've been on the protocol for more than 6 months you can begin to pump at any time. Once you start pumping you'll need to do so every 2-3 hours and once during the night for optimum results. So wait until you're ready and all you're ducks are in a row Ok?

I want to thank you and all the other moms on this site who are working tirelessly to help the newer members who have recently joined our message boards. I'm very grateful for the support I'm receiving personally and I'm sure everyone else is just as thankful as I am to have this wonderful, supportive environment to share our stories.

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Lenore,
You are very welcome,,I refer alot of people I meet to your site, as well as giving copies of the protocols to MD's etc.
I met a ob/gyn doc in a store and she was bottle feeding her 4 week old baby girl. We started talking and I mentioned the NG
protocol. She seemed very interested and told me how wonderful that I was going to nurse,,,I could not help
wondering why she was bottle feeding,,the baby was crying hysterically and her husband had to go to the car
to get the bottle. I will let you know when I start pumping, thanks alot, Cathy

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Hi Cathy,

Yes, it's difficult for me to watch any bottle feeding mother but we have to cut them some slack for often they know not what they are doing. Just because a person has MD or RN after their name does not automatically imply that they have had any breastfeeding instruction. Most medical schools don't have it as part of the curriculum and those that do basically cover breast anatomy and leave it at that. The lack of knowledge about the importance of breastfeeding by health professionals is truly mind boggling...ok end of vent.

I'm on my second pack of Ortho 1/35. My blood tests came back yesterday and my prolactin is a whopping 222!!!! Technically I could start pumping now but I'm gonna wait. It's interesting because I don't have the dramatic breast changes that I had the first time but my prolactin level did not jump as high and as fast last time either.

I started domperidone 20 mg 4 times per day. I'm expecting to be pretty dragged out by tomorrow afternoon. Thank goodness it's the weekend.

Our wonderful surrogate mom emailed to say all is well with our little one. We are currently at 12 weeks and 5 days. Seems the baby is moving around like the dickens!! Our amnio is scheduled for May 20. My husband and I are planning to be there. Maybe we'll get a sneak peak at the gender...

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Lenore,
Congrat's on your prolactin level, up so high already! Also, it must be a tremendous relief to have your surrogate and your baby be past the 3 month mark. I would think twice about the amnio, its rare but it certainly can have some risks with the procedure and after working so hard for so long to get to this point ....just a thought. It looks like we may have a referral in May. Such a long process.
I had a question about domperidone, I know you should take it on am empty stomach. I tell you, usually less than 30 minutes after I take it,,when it seems to peak or kick in,,,I all of the sudden get horrendously hungry and cannot wait the 30 minutes. Will this matter too much? Also, does it matter if I drink a hot beverage around the time I take it? I drink alot of hot decaf herbal tea etc..all day...some meds you are not supposed to take with hot liquids.
Would it be more beneficial to stay on the protocol until we leave the end of June and then instead of pumping ahead of time, just let the baby nurse with the Lact-aid and bring my milk in that way? Or should I definately pump at least 3-4 weeks ahead of time?
I am checking the pharmacies on line to find the necon and provera. I only have a couple more weeks to go to make it to the seven month mark.
I am so glad your baby is healthy and everything is going great. It must be such a great feeling. We all really appreciate you and Dr. Newman helping us .
Take care,
Cathy

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Hi Lenore,

Great posts. I've been following on with much interest.

Cathy, have you tried www.getthepill.com? I think you can get both Ortho 1/35 and the provera there. Another source is Planet Pharm. The get the pill site will ask you to fill out a questionnaire...be careful with those questions. If you say you're over 35 they won't provide the prescription. They will have the script at your local pharmacy within 2 hours for a minor fee. It's very convenient. Just make sure your family physician knows what you're up to.

For the dom...I have a trick I use. I stick it under my tongue. That gets it into my system pronto and I don't have to wait to eat. Avoids the absorption problem. Hot drinks don't affect dom because doesn't contain protein and won't be affected by heat.

As for the amnio thing..remember Lenore's 43 and that precious egg of her's was 41 when she layed it. She's pretty concerned about that. She always recommends that a specialist do the amnio, a perinatologist (see her infertility guide on this site). This way the risks are vastly reduced. There is also the paternity thing. They can use the DNA from the amnio for finalization of parental rights. So with one test, all bases are covered. I once asked her about CVS and she was concerend that it didn't cover neural tube defects like spina bifida and some other things. Plus there's all that stuff about missing fingers and toes if done badly or too early.

Lenore's up to speed. Believe me. Chatting with her is like talking with an encyclopedia. She's lot 8 babies to recurrent miscarriage. She's really been through the wringer poor thing. And she just told me of a case of a 23 year old who did blood tests and ultrasounds but no amnio because her insurance wouldn't cover it due to her age. The baby was born with Down's. So you never know. Her motto is better safe than sorry. I know that her surrogate mom is taking time off after the procedure to rest and recover.

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Hello Esther,
Thanks for the info about the ortho/necon and provera, and the trick about the domperidone. It is so hard for me to wait the 30 minutes, I get so hungry I almost throw up. I am still so fatigued, for the last 6.5 months, I may just go another 2 weeks on the protocol and start pumping.
I would def. not recommend the cvs sampling, you are right, too many risks. I did not realize the amnio would help with the whole surrogate legal procedures, it does make sense for her to have it.
I am still trying to get ahold of the LLL in Guatemala, I have called and no answer, maybe they are only there on certain days. I wanted them to find out if I can purchase domperidone in Guatemala or it I have to bring a large supply with me. When I find out , I will let everyone know.
Thanks, Cathy

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Hi Everyone,

My lastest update ended up over here http://www.asklenore.com/ubbthreads/show...amp;amp;fpart=1

Cathy, can you get hold of some of Dr. Atkins shake powder? Mix 2/3 scoop in 2 1/2 oz of heavy cream (not whipping cream cause that has sugar) in a small tupper wear container with a lid. Shake vigorously for 10 seconds and you will have one of the best little snacks ever!! And the good news is it's only about 1-2 carbs depending on the shake powder you use.

I get my Atkins things online at http://atkinscenter.com/. They deliver very quickly. I also bought the cheese cake mix and the Steel's cherry duet. I have myself a piece of cheese cake every day. Keeps those pounds off and the cravings under control.

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I have some shake mix right in my pantry now! It is very good mixed with heavy cream. I find my body knows the difference between the low carb stuff,,,and the real goodies.
I will try it again though. I am severely depressed since yesterday. After doing paperwork for almost 7 months for Guatemala, they signed the Hague Convention much earlier than I thought. Last I heard it was to be signed in early 2004.
Anyways, any adoptions filed after March 5th 2003 pretty much are not guaranteed to even be processed at all. Since it took the Guatemalan Embassy six weeks to get out paperwork back to us, of course we missed the March 5th deadline. In essence, their whole adoption government procedures are shutting down while they change all thier laws etc...I was about one week away from gettin my referral. Now, after seven months I have to switch to another country. Lets see, Viet Nam is still "closed",,as in Cambodia and Romania. Bolivia and Columbia have travel warnings...China has the SARS warning, Russia is a possibility although older babies, Kazakhstan the same,,,,we are also looking into mexico. It is over a 6 month wait for a girl there, and it is 3 trips to Mexico,,both parents...so many trips, that is one reason we had not chosen it to begin with. Sooooo,,,just set to start pumping next week, now what?
I was crying all last night at work, trying not to let my patients see how upset I was, of course,,,,I just wonder if I have the strength to swtich countries and do all the paperwork again. We'll see. Thanks for listening, Cathy

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